Legislature(2005 - 2006)HOUSE FINANCE 519

04/14/2005 01:30 PM House FINANCE


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+ HB 211 DENTISTS; HYGIENISTS; BD OF DENTAL EXAM. TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 211(FIN) Out of Committee
+ HB 103 CLAIMS AGAINST THE STATE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 103(FIN) Out of Committee
HB 215 PERM FUND CORP. INVESTMENTS/REGULATIONS
Moved CSHB 215(FIN) Out of Committee
+= HB 33 EFFECT OF REGULATIONS ON SMALL BUSINESSES TELECONFERENCED
<Bill Hearing Postponed>
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
= HB 169 REAL ESTATE LICENSEE EDUC
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= HB 71 AK PENINSULA OIL & GAS LEASE SALE; TAXES
Bill Postponed To 4/15
= HB 27 MUNI PROP TAX EXEMPTION FOR POLICE HOMES
Moved CSHB 27(FIN) Out of Committee
HOUSE BILL NO. 103                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     An Act requiring an actionable claim against the state                                                                     
     to be tried without a jury.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MIKE KELLY, SPONSOR,  stated that HB 103 would                                                                   
make a  small but  important change  to the  manner in  which                                                                   
claims against  the State are  adjudicated.  The  doctrine of                                                                   
"sovereign  immunity", originally  taken from English  common                                                                   
law,  is familiar  within  the legal  system.   The  doctrine                                                                   
precludes  the institution  of a suit  against the  sovereign                                                                   
[government] without  consent.  It is intrinsic  to the legal                                                                   
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
The  Alaska   State  Constitution  addresses  the   issue  of                                                                   
sovereign immunity in Article  2, Sec. 21, when it grants the                                                                   
Legislature sole  authority to determine the  manner in which                                                                   
suits against  the State are  tried.  Without  that addition,                                                                   
the language  in Article  1, Sec.16,  specifically refers  to                                                                   
"common  law",   presupposes   that  sovereign  immunity   is                                                                   
absolute in Alaska.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  continued, although HB 103  does change                                                                   
from  the current  standard of  a trial  by jury  in a  claim                                                                   
against the  State, it  returns to the  standard that  was in                                                                   
place until 1975.  Since that  time, there have been a number                                                                   
of  cases  that  have  resulted  in  exorbitant  jury  awards                                                                   
against the  State.   HB 103 would  accomplish the  intent by                                                                   
making a  direct statutory change.   He urged support  of the                                                                   
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:17:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HEATH HILYARD,  STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE MIKE KELLY,  offered to                                                                   
answer questions of the Committee.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  inquired if  there was  concern that  a judge                                                                   
would be harsher  than a jury.  Mr. Hilyard  replied that had                                                                   
been considered  as a possibility.   It has been a  long time                                                                   
since there  was a trial decision  by a judge that  there are                                                                   
no statistics  available.   Representative Kelly  interjected                                                                   
that could  be the case and  might not be inappropriate.   He                                                                   
stressed that  the bill addresses  the "deep pocket"  concern                                                                   
of the State and was worried about some jury awards.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:18:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Weyhrauch defended some  of the "deep  pocket                                                                   
cases of the  State".  Representative Kelly  noted that there                                                                   
were a number  of cases cited.   He noted that  a constituent                                                                   
who is a  retired lawyer requested the bill.   Representative                                                                   
Kelly  mentioned  that  historically  there  have  been  some                                                                   
outrageous rewards.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Weyhrauch asked if  the legislation  had been                                                                   
geared toward cases in Bethel  and Western Alaska and not the                                                                   
ones  in the  Big Lake  fire areas.     Representative  Kelly                                                                   
responded that his concern was  with the smaller ones such as                                                                   
the windsock case.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:21:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In response  to further queries by Representative  Weyhrauch,                                                                   
Representative  Kelly commented  that there  are four  states                                                                   
that do not allow their state to be sued.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
GAYLE   VOIGHTLANDER,    (TESTIFIED   VIA    TELECONFERENCE),                                                                   
ASSISTANT  ATTORNEY GENERAL,  DEPARTMENT  OF LAW,  ANCHORAGE,                                                                   
offered to  answer questions of  the Committee  regarding the                                                                   
Department of Law's fiscal note.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Weyhrauch commented on  the cases  sighted as                                                                   
examples of  jury awarding "deep  pockets", and  inquired how                                                                   
many had  actually been paid  out.  Ms. Voightlander  advised                                                                   
that the  windsock case  continues to  be in litigation;  the                                                                   
other three have been completed.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch  referenced the case  sighted in the                                                                   
Bethel  verdict and  asked  if  there had  been  a motion  to                                                                   
reduce the amount of that verdict.   Ms. Voightlander advised                                                                   
in that case, there have been  post trail motions.  Also, the                                                                   
search and rescue case was appealed  and then cross-appealed.                                                                   
The Department of Law asked for  large verdicts from the last                                                                   
few years.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:26:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze  mentioned an  incident in Chugiak  in the                                                                   
early  1990's, ultimately,  in  which that  woman received  a                                                                   
settlement.  He asked how that  case would have been affected                                                                   
through  the proposed  statutory  change.   Ms.  Voightlander                                                                   
explained  that  case  was  tried   with  the  State  as  the                                                                   
defendant.   A negotiated  settlement amount was  determined.                                                                   
If HB 103  had been in effect,  a judge rather than  the jury                                                                   
of twelve would have deliberated the case.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:29:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOUG WOOLIVER, ADMINISTRATIVE  ATTORNEY, ALASKA COURT SYSTEM,                                                                   
noted  that  the  Courts anticipate  a  $16  thousand  dollar                                                                   
savings with implementation of  the legislation.  That amount                                                                   
was determined  by figuring  out how  many jury trials  there                                                                   
were in the  last five years.  There have  been approximately                                                                   
20 cases during  that time.  He checked all  costs associated                                                                   
with those trials,  which averaged approximately  $4 thousand                                                                   
dollars per trial.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:31:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch MOVED  to ADOPT Amendment #1, adding                                                                   
a new sentence  on Page 1, Line  5, "the State may  request a                                                                   
jury trial under this subsection".   Co-Chair Meyer OBJECTED.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly noted  that he  did not  object to  the                                                                   
amendment.   Co-Chair  Meyer WITHDREW  his OBJECTION.   There                                                                   
being NO further OBJECTION, Amendment #1 was adopted.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:33:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly  MOVED to REPORT CS HB 103  (FIN) out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.  Representative Croft OBJECTED.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative   Croft  commented  that   he  did   not  like                                                                   
supporting the  taking of people's  rights away.  There  is a                                                                   
reason we  have a constitutional right  to a jury trail.   He                                                                   
maintained that  the right  to take a  case before  peers and                                                                   
people not  employed by  the government,  is important.   The                                                                   
government  has gotten  so  pervasive;  it can  determinately                                                                   
affect  a person's  life.   Representative  Croft thought  it                                                                   
would be  un-wise to pass  the proposed legislation  since it                                                                   
goes against  our country's history.   He reiterated  that he                                                                   
did not support the bill.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Weyhrauch observed that  there is a  right in                                                                   
this society to a  jury trial.  A jury is made  up of a broad                                                                   
section of people.   He sited a case, which  he litigated and                                                                   
which he  had requested  a jury trial.   The case  ultimately                                                                   
settled with  the jury's  verdict against  the State.   There                                                                   
were  fees  and  costs  built  into that  cost.    There  are                                                                   
instances  in which  the  State will  have  to pay;  however,                                                                   
within  the context  of  a jury  trial,  there  is an  appeal                                                                   
process.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The  State, currently  is  immune  and cannot  award  damages                                                                   
against the State.  Right now,  when a case appears and there                                                                   
is  a punitive  damage award,  the  State gets  half of  that                                                                   
award.  He  emphasized that sometimes, the State  should pay,                                                                   
as there is gross negligence.   Sometimes the verdict ends up                                                                   
with  the person  getting  fired.   Representative  Weyhrauch                                                                   
believed  that  juried trials  usually  end up  with  society                                                                   
benefiting  as  a whole.    He  clarified  that he  does  not                                                                   
distrust  judges,  however, sometimes  the  State  rightfully                                                                   
should pay.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:40:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze pointed out  his history and voting record                                                                   
for legal  reform measures,  however was  concerned with  the                                                                   
proposed legislation.  He stated  that he respects the intent                                                                   
but was not comfortable with the concept of "deep pockets".                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Kelly  interjected  that the  present  debate                                                                   
highlights the  difficult issue  being addressed  through the                                                                   
legislation and  acknowledged the  "heart" of that  struggle.                                                                   
He believed that HB 103 was a  "good bill" and would save the                                                                   
State money and abuse.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:44:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll  call vote was  taken on the  MOTION to MOVE  the bill                                                                   
from Committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR:      Holm, Kelly, Stoltze, Weyhrauch, Foster,                                                                         
               Hawker, Meyer, Chenault                                                                                          
OPPOSED:       Moses, Croft                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule was not present for the vote.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (8-2).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CS HB  103 (FIN)  was reported  out of  Committee with  a "no                                                                   
recommendation" and  with fiscal note #1 by  the Alaska Court                                                                   
System and fiscal note #2 by the Department of Law.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:45:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                

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